Hi Marty, The last 3 days has really opened my eyes; I have been giving panacure to 90 alpacas (studs, moms, crias, and girls ready to give birth). Some background... When I first started giving oral meds (about 4 yrs ago) it was a battle, then I heard about Marty and got her tape Med 1. From the tape I started following Dr. Anderson's example and tried to get as far back into the throat as I could before administering the panacure. I found that an animal who struggled would chock on the medication - I thought it was because I was not able to place the paste far enough back in the throat. I have been applying Marty's approach with the herd I work with for over two years, so most know me and go along, to a degree, when I gave panacure. Two things happened: At our clinic in June Marty suggested that I place the paste in the pocket of the jaw (my first thought was that they would spit it all over me), the second, was a good friend of mine told me to stop trying to find time to train and just apply what I know everytime I touch an animal (wise woman). **at this point I have 180 alpacas that I am responsible for and more babies on the way** Well the last 3 days I have done what both woman suggested, what I found was total harmony. With each animal I would start the treatment with some Ttouch (just a few circles around the neck, head and/or mouth), then I would give them the panacure in the right pocket of the jaw (I am right handed). The animals were relaxed and enjoying themselves! I only had one girl out of 90 who did not just accept the Ttouch and meds. IT WAS FUN!!!! Afterwards I pulled out the hose and we would all go for a swim (it was in the 90's all 3 days). What I discovered was the animals were chocking because they were not accepting the process, it had nothing to do with how deep I placed the tube down their throats.